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1999 The Secret Laughter of Women.~5/8 (by ColinFirth2011)SO THE OTHER DAY I CAME ACROSS THIS MOVIE WITH NIA LONG & COLIN FIRTH @THE 3:05 MARK HE UTTERS SAY MY NAME.I HIT THE FLOOR…..SHONDAAAA YOU GOT SOME EXPLAINING TO DO…….LOL
I forgot about this movie. Oh Colin Firth. *sigh*
Hannibal really does mention Scandal in their promo for tonight’s episode.
O_o on what context?
That is hilarious.
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I am starting to feel like maybe Olivia’s relationship with her gladiators is not particularly healthy.
We were certainly encouraged to believe that Olivia selflessly helped out some people in a bad situation. That they genuinely needed the help and are grateful for it, I do not dispute. But I’m starting to question Olivia’s motives.
For one, they are overly dependent on her because she has weened them to unquestioning obedience. They don’t challenge her. She never has to explain her reasoning or make a convincing argument. She doesn’t have to cooperate with the people around her or even her clients, she simply assumes control and demands compliance.
Yes, it’s sexy as hell to watch a show with a woman in charge and is aided and defended by a loyal crew, but I’m not seeing Olivia treat them as equals, colleagues or people she has to earn the respect of. I’m also not see much effort on her part to encourage them to lead independent lives. Instead she demands more and more of them.
Abby, for instance, sacrificed her love life and chance at a redeeming relationship with a nice guy. The importance of that to someone coming out of an abusive relationship where you doubt your self worth can not be overstated. Yet Abby stayed true to the Gladiator code, made the sacrifice play without even knowing why. And if she complains about it, she can look forward to a lecture about how she’s expected to put her personal needs on hold for whatever mission Olivia sets. I both admired Abby for her ride-or-die attitude and am also dismayed that this sacrifice was just accepted without surprise, reflection or remorse. Really, gladiators, really?
Olivia seems to use her relationship with the gladiators as a mirror in which she can see herself as good person, a fixer, a savior. I question whether she actually wants them to lead normal lives with normal relationships. How can any of them have spouses or significant others? The hours, the commitments, the secrets and finally the level of sacrifice expected pretty much precludes having any significant relationship outside the
cultoffice.I have seen others comment on the similarities of OPA to B613, but I would say the difference is in the extreme reliance and personal bond Olivia forms with the gladiators. Rowan controls them with the stick, but Olivia with the carrot.
So when she decides her “gladiators need her” and leaves Fitz to take up the white hat, I don’t feel it’s a positive, noble or healthy move. OPA is a cocoon where she has surrounded herself with people she has hobbled and warped to her purposes. While they are indeed an effective crisis management team, her emotional demands on them have become a crutch for her and a leash on them.
No wonder she finds it so difficult to maintain a relationship with Fitz. He is offering partnership and she is more comfortable with dependents.
the bolded blew me away, but i’m just giving you a standing ovation, overall. *applause* so glad i’m not the only one that sees Olivia and OPA this way.
Whew! glad I’m not alone! I feel like I’m treading on sacred ground here. Olivia and OPA working as an effective unit is so central to the show and definitely a part I enjoy, but something ain’t right here.
This is probably why Stephen left because when he had to choose between being a gladiator and having a life he chose Georgia (which flared up Olivia’s abandonment issues something fierce). He couldn’t be both because to be both meant he was prostituting himself out for information with his body. He couldn’t be faithful to Georgia and still be a gladiator.
This was all laid out rather well in 752 when she talked to Huck. She said that Harrison, Abby, and Quinn had to be taken care of and looked after. The only one she didn’t take in this regard was Huck. He is the only one in the office she considers an equal. He saved her from being alone.
Wow..great point about Stephen. You are all the way in or all the way out…no middle ground.
Yes Huck is different…but also seems to need her the most. I could imagine Olivia cutting the gladiators loose and the other three finding their way, but Huck falling back down “the hole”, so to speak.
Huck is her pitbull and companion but we have found that Huck had a easier time of letting go of Olivia than Olivia has has of letting go of him. He’s almost booked it right out of OPA twice and out of Olivia’s life without much adjustment. Olivia? Freaked the fuck out both times he tried to leave. Like she could not handle him going away and that was the closest she was in tears about someone who wasn’t Fitz. She panicked thinking he had left her. She bugged right out. She needs Huck more than he needs her in some ways. Huck would probably be relatively okay without Liv from what we’ve been shown about him. Liv?
Not so much.
I am starting to feel like maybe Olivia’s relationship with her gladiators is not particularly healthy.
We were certainly encouraged to believe that Olivia selflessly helped out some people in a bad situation. That they genuinely needed the help and are grateful for it, I do not dispute. But I’m starting to question Olivia’s motives.
For one, they are overly dependent on her because she has weened them to unquestioning obedience. They don’t challenge her. She never has to explain her reasoning or make a convincing argument. She doesn’t have to cooperate with the people around her or even her clients, she simply assumes control and demands compliance.
Yes, it’s sexy as hell to watch a show with a woman in charge and is aided and defended by a loyal crew, but I’m not seeing Olivia treat them as equals, colleagues or people she has to earn the respect of. I’m also not see much effort on her part to encourage them to lead independent lives. Instead she demands more and more of them.
Abby, for instance, sacrificed her love life and chance at a redeeming relationship with a nice guy. The importance of that to someone coming out of an abusive relationship where you doubt your self worth can not be overstated. Yet Abby stayed true to the Gladiator code, made the sacrifice play without even knowing why. And if she complains about it, she can look forward to a lecture about how she’s expected to put her personal needs on hold for whatever mission Olivia sets. I both admired Abby for her ride-or-die attitude and am also dismayed that this sacrifice was just accepted without surprise, reflection or remorse. Really, gladiators, really?
Olivia seems to use her relationship with the gladiators as a mirror in which she can see herself as good person, a fixer, a savior. I question whether she actually wants them to lead normal lives with normal relationships. How can any of them have spouses or significant others? The hours, the commitments, the secrets and finally the level of sacrifice expected pretty much precludes having any significant relationship outside the
cultoffice.I have seen others comment on the similarities of OPA to B613, but I would say the difference is in the extreme reliance and personal bond Olivia forms with the gladiators. Rowan controls them with the stick, but Olivia with the carrot.
So when she decides her “gladiators need her” and leaves Fitz to take up the white hat, I don’t feel it’s a positive, noble or healthy move. OPA is a cocoon where she has surrounded herself with people she has hobbled and warped to her purposes. While they are indeed an effective crisis management team, her emotional demands on them have become a crutch for her and a leash on them.
No wonder she finds it so difficult to maintain a relationship with Fitz. He is offering partnership and she is more comfortable with dependents.
the bolded blew me away, but i’m just giving you a standing ovation, overall. *applause* so glad i’m not the only one that sees Olivia and OPA this way.
Whew! glad I’m not alone! I feel like I’m treading on sacred ground here. Olivia and OPA working as an effective unit is so central to the show and definitely a part I enjoy, but something ain’t right here.
This is probably why Stephen left because when he had to choose between being a gladiator and having a life he chose Georgia (which flared up Olivia’s abandonment issues something fierce). He couldn’t be both because to be both meant he was prostituting himself out for information with his body. He couldn’t be faithful to Georgia and still be a gladiator.
This was all laid out rather well in 752 when she talked to Huck. She said that Harrison, Abby, and Quinn had to be taken care of and looked after. The only one she didn’t take in this regard was Huck. He is the only one in the office she considers an equal. He saved her from being alone.
I’m still bothered about those bullshit statements. When did making difficult choices against the status quo make someone a child? In actuality Cyrus and Mellie are both cowards willing to ride on Fitz coattails for their own benefit.
They both pretend to better than Fitz but never stepped out of the box to be great on their own. Cyrus lamented that he wasn’t Presidential material because he was not handsome enough and he also loved sleeping with men, which is a total bullshit. Cyrus took the easy way out because he wanted to keep fucking and wasn’t ambitious enough to fight for what he wanted. Not all presidents are good looking so if he wanted to be president he could have run for president.
Mellie is also a coward, for someone who graduated at the top of her class you would think that she would blazed the trail for women and run for office herself but she didn’t. She saw the easy path to the WH and took it instead of forging her own path.
In my opinion making the hard choices especially when you know consequences could be dire makes you an adult.
This is a spot-on, mic drop analysis. All I gotta add onto this is just one question. Why is it that when a “grown-up” mess requires a massive clean-up, all eyes are on Olivia Pope to fix it/handle it? Think back to when Fitz was in a coma. Think back to Amanda Tanner. Think back to when Fitz woke up from his coma.(I could go on and on here but you get the point.) Spot-on analysis.
Yep. Like forging a signature wasn’t childish? Or going on television to expose your husband and giving him thirty six hours wasn’t childish? Or throwing a temper tantrum in the foyer of an apartment building wasn’t childish? Or trying to shoot a man in an ambulance wasn’t childish?
Right. lol
I’m still bothered about those bullshit statements. When did making difficult choices against the statusqu make someone a child? In actuality Cyrus and Mellie are both cowards willing to ride on Fitz coattails for their own benefit.
They both pretend to better than Fitz but never stepped out of the box to be great on their own. Cyrus lamented that he wasn’t Presidential material because he was not handsome enough and he also loved sleeping with men, which is a total bullshit. Cyrus took the easy way out because he wanted to keep fucking and wasn’t ambitious enough to fight for what he wanted. Not all presidents are good lucking so if he wanted to be president he could have run for president.
Mellie is also a coward, for someone who graduated at the top of her class you would think that she would blazed the trail for women and run for office herself but she didn’t. She saw the easy path to the WH and took it instead of forging her own path.
In my opinion making the hard choices especially when you know consequences could be dire makes you an adult.
Yes!
x100
And one more thing, it pisses me off that a black woman would write that bullshit. If women didn’t fight the status quo during the suffrage movement and if black and whites didn’t fight the status quo during the 60s where would Shonda Rhimes be.
This is why I don’t accept this notion that rejecting the Olitz relationship is the noble thing to do. The courageous path lies with Fitz.
Especially since Cyrus was being hypocritical as shit. Cyrus wasn’t willing to sacrifice James even if it meant he, Liv, Fitz, and Mellie went to prison. So was that acting like a child or was that loving someone even to the detriment of yourself and your country?
Cyrus was right there with that vial of poison just like Romeo over James but if Liv or Fitz does it? It’s a problem.
Excellent point.
I’m over this meme that Liv and Fitz are children just because they (well, Fitz really) are willing sacrifice to be happy. ADULTS sacrifice. CHILDREN complain and make ultimatums and try and sabotage shit.
When are Cyrus and Mellie going to start losing? It’s been past that time…
Where I used to love Cyrus, now, I’m over him. He’s becoming too much of a mustache twirling caricature.
I still love Cyrus but that annoyed me to no end.
And the fact that these solutions never work out well. Especially his solution. He was the one who talked Olivia into Defiance but he never owns that. He was the one who confessed to James about Defiance but he never owns up to that either. Cyrus doesn’t give a damn about he country but he does care about his power and if he has gut Olivia and Fitz to do that then he will. Period. I accept that about him. But it annoyed me when he was talking to Liv like that.
Liv and Fitz are the only people on this show sacrificing shit.
I’m still bothered about those bullshit statements. When did making difficult choices against the statusqu make someone a child? In actuality Cyrus and Mellie are both cowards willing to ride on Fitz coattails for their own benefit.
They both pretend to better than Fitz but never stepped out of the box to be great on their own. Cyrus lamented that he wasn’t Presidential material because he was not handsome enough and he also loved sleeping with men, which is a total bullshit. Cyrus took the easy way out because he wanted to keep fucking and wasn’t ambitious enough to fight for what he wanted. Not all presidents are good lucking so if he wanted to be president he could have run for president.
Mellie is also a coward, for someone who graduated at the top of her class you would think that she would blazed the trail for women and run for office herself but she didn’t. She saw the easy path to the WH and took it instead of forging her own path.
In my opinion making the hard choices especially when you know consequences could be dire makes you an adult.
Yes!
x100
And one more thing, it pisses me off that a black woman would write that bullshit. If women didn’t fight the status quo during the suffrage movement and if black and whites didn’t fight the status quo during the 60s where would Shonda Rhimes be.
This is why I don’t accept this notion that rejecting the Olitz relationship is the noble thing to do. The courageous path lies with Fitz.
Especially since Cyrus was being hypocritical as shit. Cyrus wasn’t willing to sacrifice James even if it meant he, Liv, Fitz, and Mellie went to prison. So was that acting like a child or was that loving someone even to the detriment of yourself and your country?
Cyrus was right there with that vial of poison just like Romeo over James but if Liv or Fitz does it? It’s a problem.
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